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Post by moonlightgranger on Jul 3, 2007 18:43:27 GMT -5
You know her state of things, is it right, should she do what she has done?
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Post by warioman on Jul 3, 2007 20:41:43 GMT -5
she's just really stressed out with the media. if i were her, i would feel exactly the same way...
...but i don't think i would go and shave my whole head, if you know what i mean.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on Jul 3, 2007 20:47:11 GMT -5
People with a lotta money do stupid shit, simple as that. Really, I don't understand it, but you know I guess cuz I don't have craploads of money.
The way she's drinkin and partying and crap, it's really stupid. What kind of mother is that?
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Post by adeva on Jul 3, 2007 21:18:43 GMT -5
People with a lotta money do stupid shit, simple as that. Really, I don't understand it, but you know I guess cuz I don't have craploads of money. The way she's drinkin and partying and crap, it's really stupid. What kind of mother is that? Personally, I disagree with debating about people we've never met (it just feels wrong talking about people behind their backs. Except politicians. They're asking for it.) but I think I'll make an exception for defending someone I've never met.
First, generalizing in anyway I believe to be wrong. People with a lot of money aren't all lunatics. (Sorry if I sound mean.)
Second, Luna, yes, I agree that she should mature a bit for the sake of her children, but (you knew the but was coming.) we shouldn't say, "She's a dumb bitch!" or "She's just doing it for publicity!" etc.
Do you really think all these people going around saying she all those negative things help her AT ALL? Yes, she has problems and needs to deal with them, but what we need to be doing is be respectful about this person's problems the media keeps telling us about. Not go around slandering a person's name.
Lastly, I think she's going through a rough patch, and I wish her well like I do to all the people I know going through a Rough patch. Since I can't do a thing to help her.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on Jul 3, 2007 21:45:47 GMT -5
Actually, Adeva, I wasn't slandering her. I mean, it's not slander if it's really going on and everyone knows, you know? She's drinking, she's partying, she had to go to rehab because of it, she came out and I heard she went back to drinking. Do you really want someone like that to be in charge of taking care of children? Regardless of whether she is their mother or not? I mean...I really hate separating kids from their parents, but there are times when it is necessary. But yeah, she's not a very responsible mother. Also, I didn't say people with money are lunatics. I said people with money "do stupid shit". That doesn't make them lunatics. Hell, everyone does something stupid with money at one point in time. If you've got a lot of money, humans tend to be prone to blowing it on a lot of useless non-necessities. I never said she's a dumb bitch or anything like that...where did you get that from? >_> I really have no cares for Britney Spears, I really don't. I don't think she's a horrible person, I don't think she's an angel. What I do think is that she's ruining her life and not setting a very good example for her kids. The last thing we need is more brats runnin around with no regard for rules because their parents didn't discipline them.
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Post by adeva on Jul 3, 2007 22:46:49 GMT -5
Actually, Adeva, I wasn't slandering her. I mean, it's not slander if it's really going on and everyone knows, you know? She's drinking, she's partying, she had to go to rehab because of it, she came out and I heard she went back to drinking. Do you really want someone like that to be in charge of taking care of children? Regardless of whether she is their mother or not? I mean...I really hate separating kids from their parents, but there are times when it is necessary. But yeah, she's not a very responsible mother. She's trying to fix that. The fact that she checked herself into rehab was admitting that she had a problem. Yes, she's having quiet a few problems dealing with that, but wouldn't you think that we should recognize that she knows she's screwed up and is trying to do something about it?
Recovery is a long, LONG process, and it's rarely pretty.The way she's drinkin and partying and crap, it's really stupid. What kind of mother is that? I'm sorry, but to me, that is slandering. Like I said above (in this post) she's trying. We can't just say "What Kind of Mother is that?" when she's really trying to get better.Also, I didn't say people with money are lunatics. I said people with money "do stupid shit". That doesn't make them lunatics. Hell, everyone does something stupid with money at one point in time. If you've got a lot of money, humans tend to be prone to blowing it on a lot of useless non-necessities. People use different words to stop from sounding redundant. I used lunatics instead of stupid shit, meant the same thing.People with a lotta money do stupid shit, simple as that. Really, I don't understand it, but you know I guess cuz I don't have craploads of money. You said it in Black and White. It's like saying "Monkeys fling their poo." See the difference when you add the shades of gray, Luna? Though I still disagree that humans do have will-power to not go around and buy a 100-foot gold statue of them-self, saying that it's "simple as that" wasn't the appropriate way to say it in my opinion.I never said she's a dumb bitch or anything like that...where did you get that from? >_> I was using that as an example to make you look bad.
Kidding. Really, it's just that I've read/seen so many people say awful things about people and I was just using "dumb blond bitch" to portray an example in my argument.I really have no cares for Britney Spears, I really don't. I don't think she's a horrible person, I don't think she's an angel. What I do think is that she's ruining her life and not setting a very good example for her kids. The last thing we need is more brats runnin around with no regard for rules because their parents didn't discipline them. I was about to say that people go through these type of things all the time and waste a lot of space, but then I thought that you already know. So let's pretend I just wrote three paragraphs that "People Go Through This Kind of Thing And CAN Overcome It," kay?
And skip to the conclusion: Yes, when a person goes through what Spears is in, they tend to hurt a lot of people around them. Their family, their children, their friends, etc. Situations like this are anything but simple.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on Jul 3, 2007 23:27:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but to me, that is slandering. Like I said above (in this post) she's trying. We can't just say "What Kind of Mother is that?" when she's really trying to get better. It doesnt matter if you think it's slander. There is a legal definition, regardless of your opinion of it. Just look it up. Here on wikiHere on dictionary.comIt's the truth, therefore it's not slander. I mean if you can't own up to the truth then well...you know. *shrugs* And when I say you, I refer to Britney, not you Adeva. People use different words to stop from sounding redundant. I used lunatics instead of stupid shit, meant the same thing. Well you ought to have used a different word. There is a clear difference between being crazy, and doing stupid things. I might blow some money on stuff I don't really need but that doesn't make me crazy. You said it in Black and White. It's like saying "Monkeys fling their poo." See the difference when you add the shades of gray, Luna? Though I still disagree that humans do have will-power to not go around and buy a 100-foot gold statue of them-self, saying that it's "simple as that" wasn't the appropriate way to say it in my opinion. It is as simple as that. I don't think you'll find a person who has lots of money to spend who hasn't done something stupid or completely unnecessary. I'm not saying base that person's whole demeanor on those stupid things as I'm sure they have also done good things, but it's the stupid stuff that stands out most of the time. Also, if she was a good mother, she wouldn't have done this stuff in the first place to have to go to rehab. So she's trying to do better, greaaat, however she still made some pretty bad mistakes in the first place. Had she not been a celebrity, those kids woulda been taken from her so fast....
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Post by adeva on Jul 4, 2007 0:02:26 GMT -5
It doesnt matter if you think it's slander. There is a legal definition, regardless of your opinion of it. Just look it up. Here on wikiHere on dictionary.comIt's the truth, therefore it's not slander. I mean if you can't own up to the truth then well...you know. *shrugs* And when I say you, I refer to Britney, not you Adeva. Funny story: I actually looked up slander both on wiki, AND dictionary.com while I made my post. Just didn't think it was necessary. >_>
Dictionary.com used 'malicious' in it's definition, now malicious sounds a bit mean, but that's the way I'm looking at how you define Spears. At least to me.Well you ought to have used a different word. There is a clear difference between being crazy, and doing stupid things. I might blow some money on stuff I don't really need but that doesn't make me crazy. I do not understand why me using 'lunatic' wasn't to your tastes. Sure, it sounds different, but with a bit of common sense, anybody can understand my meaning.It is as simple as that. I don't think you'll find a person who has lots of money to spend who hasn't done something stupid or completely unnecessary. I'm not saying base that person's whole demeanor on those stupid things as I'm sure they have also done good things, but it's the stupid stuff that stands out most of the time. And I don't think you'll find a middle or lower class person who hasn't done something just as/or stupider than the mistake the rich person made. The different classes just mean different mistakes.
Also, so what if she's got a bit more cash than some of us? Though her popularity has a bit to do with her problem (that's just my opinion.) her wealth hardly has anything to do with it and I'm sure a middle-class person is doing something similar to Britney's situation.Also, if she was a good mother, she wouldn't have done this stuff in the first place to have to go to rehab. So she's trying to do better, greaaat, however she still made some pretty bad mistakes in the first place. Had she not been a celebrity, those kids woulda been taken from her so fast.... What's done is done. No take-backs. I'm not sure if Spears understands this, but pointing out only her huge mistakes, foul-ups, and all those things she screwed up and belittling her steps to-wards getting better isn't very fair.
As for the children . . . I blame society.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on Jul 4, 2007 1:04:35 GMT -5
Funny story: I actually looked up slander both on wiki, AND dictionary.com while I made my post. Just didn't think it was necessary. >_>
Dictionary.com used 'malicious' in it's definition, now malicious sounds a bit mean, but that's the way I'm looking at how you define Spears. At least to me. I merely stated fact: drinking and partying recklessly while being a mother is stupid. If it's malicious for me to say so, then that isn't my problem, it's hers for doing something malicious lol. I do not understand why me using 'lunatic' wasn't to your tastes. Sure, it sounds different, but with a bit of common sense, anybody can understand my meaning. Are you saying I don't have common sense? >_> Maybe you don't understand the connotations one gets when they hear "lunatic" as opposed to "one who does stupid stuff". That's what I'm trying to point out. It just seems like you put words in my mouth when you try to use lunatic as a synonym to what I was saying. And I don't think you'll find a middle or lower class person who hasn't done something just as/or stupider than the mistake the rich person made. The different classes just mean different mistakes.
Also, so what if she's got a bit more cash than some of us? Though her popularity has a bit to do with her problem (that's just my opinion.) her wealth hardly has anything to do with it and I'm sure a middle-class person is doing something similar to Britney's situation. Um thing is, when you have money, you have more things available for you to make stupid decisions on. Middle class and poor people don't really have the option of (using your earlier example) buying a 100 foot pure gold statue of themself. But rich people do. Besides, I never said nor believed that rich people are the only ones who do stupid things. Everyone does, but is this topic about everyone? No. It's about Britney Spears, who happens to be in the rich people category. Who also happen to be the class of people that are more prone to do stupid stuff, cuz of all that money and nothing to do with it. As for the children . . . I blame society. Haha, right. Because parents have no control over their children. >_> Ya can't blame society for everything. What about all the kids that don't grow up to be a waste of tax payers' money? I'm sure in a lot of those cases there was a strong parental figure in their life. "Society" didn't get those kids. When you're a mother you really don't have a life anymore. It's the kids' life damnit! Lol. Ya can't be runnin around drinking and partying like you're some single partygurl just trying to have fun. At least, if you want to be a good mother you can't. Until I see her really improve and end her party lifestyle and such, I can't really consider her a good mother. Gosh it's annoying multiquoting like that! Specially with your colored text!
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Post by adeva on Jul 4, 2007 1:29:06 GMT -5
I merely stated fact: drinking and partying recklessly while being a mother is stupid. If it's malicious for me to say so, then that isn't my problem, it's hers for doing something malicious lol. It's not what you said. It's the manner by which you said it. That's what I'm saying that is malicious.Are you saying I don't have common sense? >_> Maybe you don't understand the connotations one gets when they hear "lunatic" as opposed to "one who does stupid stuff". That's what I'm trying to point out. It just seems like you put words in my mouth when you try to use lunatic as a synonym to what I was saying. No, I'm not saying that, I was saying that any dude that reads what I said would understand what I meant.
And Luna, from what I've learned, when a little boy whispers to a little girl and that little girl whispers it to other people and so on and so forth, the last person will say something completely different from what the little boy had originally said.
People interpet, and repeat things differently, and I don't meand to put words in your mouth. Um thing is, when you have money, you have more things available for you to make stupid decisions on. Middle class and poor people don't really have the option of (using your earlier example) buying a 100 foot pure gold statue of themself. But rich people do. Besides, I never said nor believed that rich people are the only ones who do stupid things. Everyone does, but is this topic about everyone? No. It's about Britney Spears, who happens to be in the rich people category. Who also happen to be the class of people that are more prone to do stupid stuff, cuz of all that money and nothing to do with it. The way you said, "People with a lotta money do stupid shit, simple as that. Really, I don't understand it, but you know I guess cuz I don't have craploads of money." Implied that you meant all rich people do stupid shit with their money. And that Spears was/is doing stupid things with her money.Haha, right. Because parents have no control over their children. >_> Ya can't blame society for everything. What about all the kids that don't grow up to be a waste of tax payers' money? I'm sure in a lot of those cases there was a strong parental figure in their life. "Society" didn't get those kids. When you're a mother you really don't have a life anymore. It's the kids' life damnit! Lol. Ya can't be runnin around drinking and partying like you're some single partygurl just trying to have fun. At least, if you want to be a good mother you can't. Until I see her really improve and end her party lifestyle and such, I can't really consider her a good mother. Gosh it's annoying multiquoting like that! Specially with your colored text! Actually, that last part about blaming society was a joke.
But Online, it is paticularly hard interpeting emotions without knowing a person, isn't it?
And I never told you to consider her a good mother, the whole point of my argument (which I seem to be stating repeatedly in different words!): Spears screwed up. Great. Everyone makes mistakes like that everyday. (Not trying to make Britney look better.) But it's hard. It's hard to stop any addiction, and she's trying to break it. It's long, it's embarassing, the rehab. (Not ACTUAL rehab, but I'm talking about 'recovery')
PS: Most of our debating is because we miscommunicate a lot, isn't it?
PSS: This wont stop. >_> I have a feeling we're both too stubborn to let the other win.
PSSS: My colored text is the SHAT, so deal with it!
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on Jul 4, 2007 1:46:05 GMT -5
The way you said, "People with a lotta money do stupid shit, simple as that. Really, I don't understand it, but you know I guess cuz I don't have craploads of money." Implied that you meant all rich people do stupid shit with their money. And that Spears was/is doing stupid things with her money. Does she not? Actually, that last part about blaming society was a joke.
But Online, it is paticularly hard interpeting emotions without knowing a person, isn't it? Yes it is. Regardless...it was a point I want to make. And I never told you to consider her a good mother, the whole point of my argument (which I seem to be stating repeatedly in different words!): Spears screwed up. Great. Everyone makes mistakes like that everyday. (Not trying to make Britney look better.) But it's hard. It's hard to stop any addiction, and she's trying to break it. It's long, it's embarassing, the rehab. (Not ACTUAL rehab, but I'm talking about 'recovery') I didn't need you to tell me whether or not to consider her a good mother . That is my opinion of her. That is my view of her. Nothing to do with you. That's what I brought to the table. XD PSSS: My colored text is the SHAT, so deal with it! Lolz you said SHAT. Been hangin around Viljo too much now.
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Post by adeva on Jul 4, 2007 1:57:44 GMT -5
I guess we're at an understanding about Spears then. (I probably would've found some reason to keep the argument going. XD)
And maybe I should come up with some signature bitch-move instead of saying SHAT or Viljo will jump me! D:
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Post by Frankenstein Heart on Jul 4, 2007 3:49:02 GMT -5
WTF did you just start, Miss Moo???
This board is infected with diseases, now...
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Post by dboy6890 on Jul 4, 2007 3:58:10 GMT -5
lolz beware arguing girls, nothing scarier then arguing girls. lolz well i didn't read all your arguments so i don't know how far we are ( im lazy sue me). but i think the fact she is in rehab or whatever is good, she may have made some stupid mistakes but who hasn't? he is on the road to recovery hopefully so yay her
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Post by adeva on Jul 4, 2007 4:10:29 GMT -5
WTF did you just start, Miss Moo??? This board is infected with diseases, now... No, no, no, no.
If a PARIS HILTON board starts up, WE. ARE. FUCKED.
Everyone's gonna get chlamidya, heppi, every single STD known to man! D:
Run far, far away from S.O.B. if a Paris Hilton board starts up. >_>
(No offense to her. Just couldn't resist the urge to make fun of Paris. )
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