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Post by biteme101 on May 3, 2007 19:21:12 GMT -5
i hate it when my dad hits my dog too so i hit him back it works very well cuz he wont touch me bwahha
but anyways i'd still hit my kids maybe not in public but if its needed i would
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Post by lurn2spel on May 3, 2007 23:03:37 GMT -5
im jsut not a big fan of physical discipline, i even cringe whenever my dad hits my dog for taking some food without my permission. So i of course give her more of wutever she took in spit eof him (i hat emy dad btw) Yeah me too. I don't hate my dad BTW.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on May 5, 2007 0:40:26 GMT -5
I never want to hear some one defend some one about a sibling hitting them... I say shut up if you think they should do that. Do you think it would be alright if I came and smacked you cause you were annoying me? No, I bet you wouldn't. PLUS, and older sibling? What kind of older sibling is that big of a jerk that they would hit some one that much(probably alot littler) then them? If you ever did that im glad you arn't related to me....... I agree 100% with nigee though. I'm not trying to flame you Luna but I'm just saying what makes you think its ok if some one hits you. I said if you really deserved it. Your older siblings have a responsibility over you as well. They do not have as much authority as your parents/guardians of course, but they have a responsibility over you because they are older. If you were being an ungrateful little brat (not saying you are lurn2spel, but anyone in general) whining and stuff I think you deserve a smack. It'll give you a nice reality check. Parents often are working their asses off to take care of their kids most of the time. An ungrateful child is the very last thing they need. Why do you jump to examples of hitting random people cuz they're annoying you? I don't think people deserve to be hit cuz they're annoying someone, I think they deserve a smack or w/e, if they're doing/have done something bad and that bad thing warrants a punishment. I'm all for spanking and w/e if the person deserves it. I don't condone hitting just cuz the parents' stressed or they were annoyed because that[/u][/b] is abuse.
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Post by 2Die2™ on May 5, 2007 3:17:22 GMT -5
I don't think children actually are old enough to deserve being hit, due to lack of mental develop in the brain to understand right from wrong . A spanking on the behind, is still hitting, and can cause the child to possibly believe it's okay to hit others, when they feel that someone has done something "wrong".
I'm really for doing everything before deciding if a child, or teen deserves to be physically disciplined. I really think if you have children in a particular environment, and speak to them why whatever they did should not be done again, then you won't have to spank them. The last thing any parent or guardian should want is to be feared by the person they care about most.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on May 5, 2007 12:23:32 GMT -5
I don't think children actually are old enough to deserve being hit, due to lack of mental develop in the brain to understand right from wrong . A spanking on the behind, is still hitting, and can cause the child to possibly believe it's okay to hit others, when they feel that someone has done something "wrong". I'm really for doing everything before deciding if a child, or teen deserves to be physically disciplined. I really think if you have children in a particular environment, and speak to them why whatever they did should not be done again, then you won't have to spank them. The last thing any parent or guardian should want is to be feared by the person they care about most. When children are young they're not gonna understand you explaining to them what is right and what is wrong. The age for that, I'm referring to is about age 2-4... maybe up to age 6. I've had this debate before over at another forum and I'd really liked to know: if you think spanking's not the answer, and talking to them is obviously not going to work, what else is there to do? And for a child to believe hitting others is ok just cuz they themselves were spanked is a sign of bad parenting. The parent should make it clear that hitting others is bad.
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Post by 2Die2™ on May 5, 2007 16:01:09 GMT -5
For things that the child may not understand, there are other ways of showing the child that certain behaviors do not deserve attention. Like whining for example. Very young children are aware that whining gets them the candy they want, therefore, they, at that age, know what to do to get what they want. Unless, the parent chooses not to negatively reward the child with the candy by whining. If the parent either ignores the whining, and doesn't give the child the candy, that child will now know that whining will not get he/she what they want. And that is one way to avoid hitting a child for begging for candy in a store.
Children are a lot more intelligent now a days, so we shouldn't underestimate what's going on in their very young brain. They may not be as intelligent as a full grown adult, but there is some sense there.
As far as hitting a kid, and then telling them not to hit other kids, I think that's the first step to confusing a child, or making them followers to leaders in question *cough* Bush *cough* . Hitting the child, and then telling them why they can't hit others, sounds like a bully to me. It just seems like if you confront things with your child in a intelligent manner, then your child will learn to be intelligent as well.
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on May 6, 2007 21:10:47 GMT -5
It's unneccessary to hit a child for begging for candy in a store, so I think that was a bad example. Plus no matter what the child does, it's really very tacky to spank a child in public. It's a better idea to remove the irate child from the store/public area first in a swift and orderly manner. And your example is good yes, but it won't work with all children. Just like how spanking isn't for all children; really no method is the cureall for all children since everyone is different. I simply support spanking since it was the method used on me, and it damn well worked. And I know it does work with other people so I'm not the only one. It also has to do with the amount of respect/love/other stuff along those lines that the child has for the parent. If the child could not give a damn about their mother or father, they are obviously not going to react well to any means of punishment. I live with the fear that if I screw up really bad, my mother would kill me (obviously not literally : . And that is a good thing; it discourages me from ever doing something really stupid.
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Post by 2Die2™ on May 7, 2007 22:41:28 GMT -5
I see where your coming, you're right.
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Post by lurn2spel on May 8, 2007 0:30:03 GMT -5
I never want to hear some one defend some one about a sibling hitting them... I say shut up if you think they should do that. Do you think it would be alright if I came and smacked you cause you were annoying me? No, I bet you wouldn't. PLUS, and older sibling? What kind of older sibling is that big of a jerk that they would hit some one that much(probably alot littler) then them? If you ever did that im glad you arn't related to me....... I agree 100% with nigee though. I'm not trying to flame you Luna but I'm just saying what makes you think its ok if some one hits you. I said if you really deserved it. Your older siblings have a responsibility over you as well. They do not have as much authority as your parents/guardians of course, but they have a responsibility over you because they are older. (I disagree 100%......)If you were being an ungrateful little brat (not saying you are lurn2spel, but anyone in general) whining and stuff I think you deserve a smack. It'll give you a nice reality check. Parents often are working their asses off to take care of their kids most of the time. An ungrateful child is the very last thing they need. Why do you jump to examples of hitting random people cuz they're annoying you? I don't think people deserve to be hit cuz they're annoying someone, I think they deserve a smack or w/e, if they're doing/have done something bad and that bad thing warrants a punishment. I'm all for spanking and w/e if the person deserves it. I don't condone hitting just cuz the parents' stressed or they were annoyed because that[/u][/b] is abuse.[/quote] I'm not saying you arn't right any where else here I never got spanked cause I never did any thing bad..... So I can't say anything any where else.... Ignore my other talking....(I said some thing in white...)
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Post by Luna Sasaguri on May 8, 2007 21:02:59 GMT -5
So you're saying, if you had a younger brother or sister, you're not responsible for them?
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Post by biteme101 on May 8, 2007 22:30:32 GMT -5
you are responsible for them but not to the point of hitting them becuase that makes them fight more (i should know). an older brother or sister should be setting a good example not punishing thats the parensts job even if they are to busy its still thier job no matter what is going on
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Post by moonlightgranger on May 9, 2007 1:31:33 GMT -5
I really don't know, I kinda of believe in a soft approach, don't hit them or yell, just calmly tell them it's wrong, but I dunno what's wrong about that. People don't like it. If you sound sad they did something wrong they might, um change.
Being only forteen, and have parents that screech at the top of there lungs, and slap me across the face, I know that's not the way. You know Everytime they yell, and hit, I just think, "You know, it's time to do more wrong, since they having more fun, and to teach no to do."
I rebel, heck, I don't don't stand there and letting them do it, Dang no!
If they were straight gentle with me, no matter how many times I did it wrong, then maybe better actions could be taken.
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Post by lurn2spel on May 9, 2007 1:48:26 GMT -5
Yeah I hate when my mom yells it just makes me, mad, or, sad...... And a lot of the times she doesn't even say why shes mad if we ask why is that a bad thing, she doesn't say why she just thinks if it's mildly to the disliking to here she can yell for no reason.
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Post by biteme101 on May 9, 2007 18:49:38 GMT -5
my mom n dad yell at my sister and me but all we end up doing is laughing mostly at my dad cuz he brings up stupid points.
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Post by moonlightgranger on May 9, 2007 19:29:38 GMT -5
You know yeah, same here,
Even stupider, both my parents brings up the past, which doesn't matter!
The stupidest thing is my parent's think
Dang, Heck, Darn, and Darnit are really bad words.
Gee, we just had a whole fight yesterday.
I can't say,
Gee, ewww, You know, um, or many other words that are perfectly normal!
And I can't go anywhere by myself, because they think
"My poor child will get hurt!"
That's really pathetic
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